Yep, another one of these is long overdue, right?
Since the very start of the Eleven alpha, our dedicated testers are showing some serious commitment, and we have been able to identify and fix a large number of bugs thanks to their help. By now, most of the major game features have been ported from our prototype server to the new one — the notable exception being location instancing, which includes home streets.
But since without doubt the most commonly asked question is some variation of “When are you going to let more players in?”, I would like to give you an honest update in that regard from a technical point of view.
During the past three months, we very slowly ramped up the number of players, keeping a close eye on the system’s performance. While things are mostly working ok-ish (apart from crashes, numerous bugs and just generally being an alpha), it is becoming quite clear that as it stands, the server would not be able to cope with actual MMO-like player numbers.
After some analysis of the underlying issues, we now know that the problem is rooted in a core part of our architecture. Our general approach since day one has been “get the game running with as few changes as possible to the code released by TS”. In order to achieve this, we used a certain bleeding-edge Javascript language feature called Proxies to replicate how the original game server handled references between game objects and communication between server instances, because they are just perfectly suited for that purpose. In retrospect though, we probably should have paid more attention to the fact that their current implementation in Node.js is actually a dead end, and the topic is not a priority for V8.
To illustrate, here’s how “fast” some typical operations are on our server right now:
login_start: 4.12 ops/sec
groups_chat: 2,126 ops/sec
itemstack_verb_menu: 216 ops/sec
itemstack_verb: 316 ops/sec
move_xy: 4,787 ops/sec
trant.onInterval: 1,618 ops/sec
And in comparison, the same operations with the problematic parts taken out (just for the benchmark — the game would not work that way, obviously):
login_start: 6.34 ops/sec
groups_chat: 11,023 ops/sec
itemstack_verb_menu: 1,766 ops/sec
itemstack_verb: 4,454 ops/sec
move_xy: 126,096 ops/sec
trant.onInterval: 49,433 ops/sec
Unfortunately, there is no easy solution here: Reconsidering our early technology platform decisions would of course be a huge step backwards — but more intrusive modifications to the TS architecture and code, to be able to get rid of the “slow” proxies, are not a pleasant prospect either (remember, roughly a million lines of code).
We are of course pondering ways to tackle the problem more creatively, too, but without that liberating Eureka moment so far.
Sorry if all this sounds a bit bleak now, but we would rather be upfront about where we’re at, than raise expectations and then keep you in the dark about the challenges ahead. Rest assured that we are still working hard on Eleven (there are many other moving parts that are not related to this issue), and who knows, maybe there is a feasible solution around the corner that we just didn’t think of yet.
(We should probably donate to Tii more…)
I appreciate the honesty, and of course, all the hard work you guys are putting in.
*Offers his crumb filled keyboard and sticky mouse to the devs*
“would this help?”
Keep your heads up, it’s a bit of a setback – and every project like this hits an unforeseen roadbump from time to time. But you don’t get this far without some talented people – so I’m sure you’ll find a way around this soon enough!
We’re all behind you and thanks for the always interesting updates!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to trawl through Oracle’s documentation!
What was the original workaround -did TS have to rent a big expensive server farm?
TS had a highly customized version of the Rhino JS engine and a custom persistence layer wrapped in Java.
As kaiyon said, their server was based on another technology stack. A bit more information about why we went down a different road is in the first dev log post: http://wp.elevengiants.com/?p=116
Good luck guys can’t wait to play!
Children of Ur is done
http://play.childrenofur.com/?ref=homeplay
I love poking around Children of Ur for nostalgia but it’s definitely not “done.” They’re also in an alpha state. The difference is who can access it.
Good luck you guys. Whatever happens, your effort is greatly appreciated!
I have faith. 🙂 Those giants will drift off to sleep before you know it. 🙂
Keep it up guys! You all sound like an amazing team! I wrote an email on slack@… about javascript/server collaboration. Please reach me out I’m sure I could help improve the server performance!
We always appreciate the updates. How goes the hard work? We all are hopeful you are having the breakthroughs you need to get the development back on track. Hopefully as we’re getting closer to summer, y’all are having more time for developer collaboration since we understand you have busy schedules in the winter/spring months. Keep up the great work!
thanks for your heart work guys!! im so excited for eleven to happen. glitch was a game i adored and i cant wait to see all the hard work youve put in!
http://jxcore.io
http://jxcore.com/node-needs-an-abstraction-layer-for-javascript-engines/
Its a Node.js fork that supports SpiderMonkey
Hope its a solution and works with your node_am_cc addon
GL n much thx
Oooh!! I’m so excited! I just found out about this totally by accident. I’ve been missing Glitch lately, so I decided to do a search to see if there were any games *like* Glitch. Of course, the answer to that has been No. But when I did a search for it, a Wiki article said that you guys were working on Eleven! WooHoo! Yay! I really, really would love to be a part of this when you start letting in more players. 🙂